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		<title>By: Imogen Heap Shows Us That DIY Pays Off &#8211; And Takes A Lot Of Work &#8211; Guest Blog &#171; The Hit Music Academy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Lainson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Lainson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want the DIY approach discussed, but I want as many details as possible. How much money is coming in? Where is it coming from? Where is it going? How many hours are people putting in on non-musical activities?

I&#039;ve been involved with DIY musicians. Some can pull it off and some can&#039;t. And it doesn&#039;t come down to musical skill because all of them excel at writing and performing songs. But not all of them want to deal with the other stuff, or even deal with other people who deal with the other stuff. 

Even if you have someone else doing the booking, PR, fan management, bookkeeping, etc., you need to be involved at some level. Yet I find some artists who want someone else to do everything, hand them a check, and let them play. They want nothing to do with any part of the process that doesn&#039;t involve writing, recording, or performing music. To them I usually say, &quot;Get a day job for your money and do music for a creative outlet.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want the DIY approach discussed, but I want as many details as possible. How much money is coming in? Where is it coming from? Where is it going? How many hours are people putting in on non-musical activities?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been involved with DIY musicians. Some can pull it off and some can&#8217;t. And it doesn&#8217;t come down to musical skill because all of them excel at writing and performing songs. But not all of them want to deal with the other stuff, or even deal with other people who deal with the other stuff. </p>
<p>Even if you have someone else doing the booking, PR, fan management, bookkeeping, etc., you need to be involved at some level. Yet I find some artists who want someone else to do everything, hand them a check, and let them play. They want nothing to do with any part of the process that doesn&#8217;t involve writing, recording, or performing music. To them I usually say, &#8220;Get a day job for your money and do music for a creative outlet.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 3REV</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Article about the the DIY ethic now making the rounds. But why is that?  Its because Technology and the new media  have made it possible. Before, if you wanted to make a record and hopefully some serious coin, you had to know who to blow (regardless of your talent) . Other wise you were the &quot;Piano-man&quot; or House Band at a bar and Weddings or Doing Cruise ship gigs to sing for your supper (which is the majority of working musicians no?)  There was no real DIY option.   I&#039;ve read a lot of the articles and I&#039;ve talked to great artists who are taking the DIY avenue because they have no choice. None of them has said it is easy but for them it is a labor of love.   As pointed out by other commentator&#039;s hopefully  Record labels will realize that there is another way to do business and come to terms with te new realities on the ground.  Successful DIY Performers releasing albums that they (Major labels) are not making any not making any coin off of can&#039;t possibly making them happy, but they are still stuck in the past unable or unwilling to experiment with the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Article about the the DIY ethic now making the rounds. But why is that?  Its because Technology and the new media  have made it possible. Before, if you wanted to make a record and hopefully some serious coin, you had to know who to blow (regardless of your talent) . Other wise you were the &#8220;Piano-man&#8221; or House Band at a bar and Weddings or Doing Cruise ship gigs to sing for your supper (which is the majority of working musicians no?)  There was no real DIY option.   I&#8217;ve read a lot of the articles and I&#8217;ve talked to great artists who are taking the DIY avenue because they have no choice. None of them has said it is easy but for them it is a labor of love.   As pointed out by other commentator&#8217;s hopefully  Record labels will realize that there is another way to do business and come to terms with te new realities on the ground.  Successful DIY Performers releasing albums that they (Major labels) are not making any not making any coin off of can&#8217;t possibly making them happy, but they are still stuck in the past unable or unwilling to experiment with the future.</p>
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		<title>By: refe</title>
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		<dc:creator>refe</dc:creator>
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		<description>Examples like these are valuable, not so much as a complete model to be reproduced, but as a source of inspiration for artists who are looking to build their own promotional strategies. There is certainly no one-size-fits-all solution, but that&#039;s what is so much fun about the music business these days. Tons of options, tons of opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Examples like these are valuable, not so much as a complete model to be reproduced, but as a source of inspiration for artists who are looking to build their own promotional strategies. There is certainly no one-size-fits-all solution, but that&#8217;s what is so much fun about the music business these days. Tons of options, tons of opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew McMillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew McMillen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Great to read the comments here. Like Suzanne, I&#039;m sceptic of anyone who holds these extreme examples of success (Heap, Palmer) as THE way to succeed at marketing yourself online. So it&#039;s good to see that commenters on this site are staying level-headed and realistic! Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to read the comments here. Like Suzanne, I&#8217;m sceptic of anyone who holds these extreme examples of success (Heap, Palmer) as THE way to succeed at marketing yourself online. So it&#8217;s good to see that commenters on this site are staying level-headed and realistic! Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Lainson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Lainson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know all the specifics for either The Fray deal or the Flobots deal. But I believe The Fray deal was for just two albums. And I know they were very conservative about taking an advance for the first one. So the advance was paid off very quickly. I believe three, maybe all four, of The Fray members were music business majors in college. They were pretty savvy before going into the deal and particularly cautious. They all also have outside interests which they can step into should they want to expand beyond a traditional music business path.

Here&#039;s a good piece about the Flobots, their background, and their motivation for signing their deal.

http://www.westword.com/content/printVersion/867457

Both of these bands have a world view of what they want to accomplish, so label deals have just been a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know all the specifics for either The Fray deal or the Flobots deal. But I believe The Fray deal was for just two albums. And I know they were very conservative about taking an advance for the first one. So the advance was paid off very quickly. I believe three, maybe all four, of The Fray members were music business majors in college. They were pretty savvy before going into the deal and particularly cautious. They all also have outside interests which they can step into should they want to expand beyond a traditional music business path.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good piece about the Flobots, their background, and their motivation for signing their deal.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.westword.com/content/printVersion/867457" rel="nofollow">http://www.westword.com/content/printVersion/867457</a></p>
<p>Both of these bands have a world view of what they want to accomplish, so label deals have just been a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: refe</title>
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		<dc:creator>refe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s hard not to like, which as I mentioned in the post seems to suggest that she&#039;s doing a pretty good job with her self-promotion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s hard not to like, which as I mentioned in the post seems to suggest that she&#8217;s doing a pretty good job with her self-promotion!</p>
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		<title>By: refe</title>
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		<dc:creator>refe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne - great to see your comments here, I always appreciate your perspective!

A major label deal may open doors, but the majors can be profoundly fickle. Sales start to slip and you might find all those doors closing just as quickly as they opened.

What I hope is that the surge of successful DIY artists that we&#039;ve begun to see will force the big labels to embrace a more cooperative partnership-based approach to the artists they sign. Some have already begun to experiment with different ways to do that, which is encouraging.

I&#039;m glad your friends have found a deal that&#039;s working out for them, I wouldn&#039;t mind picking their brains to hear more details about what that deal looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne &#8211; great to see your comments here, I always appreciate your perspective!</p>
<p>A major label deal may open doors, but the majors can be profoundly fickle. Sales start to slip and you might find all those doors closing just as quickly as they opened.</p>
<p>What I hope is that the surge of successful DIY artists that we&#8217;ve begun to see will force the big labels to embrace a more cooperative partnership-based approach to the artists they sign. Some have already begun to experiment with different ways to do that, which is encouraging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad your friends have found a deal that&#8217;s working out for them, I wouldn&#8217;t mind picking their brains to hear more details about what that deal looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: refe</title>
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		<dc:creator>refe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: auctioning one&#039;s belonging&#039;s on Twitter:

Amanda Palmer (who Matt is referring to in the above comment for those who don&#039;t know) recently wrote this:

&quot;i started making the music in the first place not because i wanted music, but because i wanted human connection.
music was the bridge there... connection = primary.
music/art  = secondary.&quot;

I wasn&#039;t surprised at all to read that - I think it has always been very obvious in the way that she conducts and markets herself. I don&#039;t have a problem with it either - but I think that to trumpet her model as THE music business model (which many have lately) is nonsense. That&#039;s not what she&#039;s doing. Her priorities are different than the priorities of many who consider music to be primary.

Again, that&#039;s fine - but we need to call it like it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: auctioning one&#8217;s belonging&#8217;s on Twitter:</p>
<p>Amanda Palmer (who Matt is referring to in the above comment for those who don&#8217;t know) recently wrote this:</p>
<p>&#8220;i started making the music in the first place not because i wanted music, but because i wanted human connection.<br />
music was the bridge there&#8230; connection = primary.<br />
music/art  = secondary.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t surprised at all to read that &#8211; I think it has always been very obvious in the way that she conducts and markets herself. I don&#8217;t have a problem with it either &#8211; but I think that to trumpet her model as THE music business model (which many have lately) is nonsense. That&#8217;s not what she&#8217;s doing. Her priorities are different than the priorities of many who consider music to be primary.</p>
<p>Again, that&#8217;s fine &#8211; but we need to call it like it is.</p>
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