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	<title>Comments on: Radiohead Manager, MAMA and Nettwerk Team Up to Create New Alternative to Record Labels</title>
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	<description>save the music - not the industry.</description>
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		<title>By: Notsure I Understand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notsure I Understand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In recently applying for this venture I was given a pdf file to outline all the numbers, earnings, and marketing teams associated with my music, asked to fill it in, and it would then be considered for Polyphonic&#039;s interest. 

My request to be considered for their project was as one of an intermediate in the business, and wanting to take my career to the next level. I would gain the benefit of experts who, already in the field, would know how to implement that for which I&#039;ve no training or experience.  The application appears to be one expecting many of these components to already be established, so I&#039;m not entirely sure how this would be of benefit to an indie musician.  It might be something in which an already established artist may be interested.  Probably someone who already has the benefit of marketing, promotion, recording/production teams, distribution and many other things... in fact, perhaps someone who already has a record deal would like to give Nettwerk 50% of the earnings of his or her efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In recently applying for this venture I was given a pdf file to outline all the numbers, earnings, and marketing teams associated with my music, asked to fill it in, and it would then be considered for Polyphonic&#8217;s interest. </p>
<p>My request to be considered for their project was as one of an intermediate in the business, and wanting to take my career to the next level. I would gain the benefit of experts who, already in the field, would know how to implement that for which I&#8217;ve no training or experience.  The application appears to be one expecting many of these components to already be established, so I&#8217;m not entirely sure how this would be of benefit to an indie musician.  It might be something in which an already established artist may be interested.  Probably someone who already has the benefit of marketing, promotion, recording/production teams, distribution and many other things&#8230; in fact, perhaps someone who already has a record deal would like to give Nettwerk 50% of the earnings of his or her efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: spinmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>spinmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think music makers are well advised to think of themselves in terms not dissimilar to many (most?) other professionals. You can be an employee (&quot;work for hire&quot;) for guaranteed cash with smaller or zero upside, or you can be an entrepreneur with zero guarantees and lots of upside. 

But being an entrepreneur means you&#039;ve got to have a basic understanding of legal (contracting and IP), accounting and tax, investment/funding, marketing and sales -- all in addition to the base operations of your business (composing, arranging, producing, performing live and/or studio). 

If you&#039;re unwilling or unable to figure out a basic understanding of all of those fields which are part of every business, then you&#039;re an employee at best and a victim at worst. 

Of course none of your best efforts help, if access to market is controlled by an all powerful cartel, which it was and arguably still is to quite a degree. So at least the (much too slow) death of the cartel will hopefully restore some normal decent business behavior.

However this doesn&#039;t change the fundamentals of supply vs. demand. As we increasingly find out, the supply of rather good recorded music is increasingly limitless. So correspondingly, the market value for recorded music is getting nearer to zero all the time. The supply of very good live music is probably not quite as plentiful, so at least in the short term, there&#039;s probably some money in that. 

But that means that &quot;labels&quot; as a separate commercial industry for recorded music is dead. While more comprehensive holistic ventures, which unite all of the things a music maker can and must do seem to make increasingly more sense. It also reflects the reality that most music makers have a combination of revenue streams - some work for music stores, some teach, some work for equipment manufacturers, some write software, some produce, some work musical theater in addition to doing rock/pop gigs, etc. 

So my bottom line point is, that I would not call this new venture a &quot;Label&quot;. It deserves a different term. Not sure if there is one yet, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see one evolving. Heck, why don&#039;t you coin a new term in this blog?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think music makers are well advised to think of themselves in terms not dissimilar to many (most?) other professionals. You can be an employee (&#8220;work for hire&#8221;) for guaranteed cash with smaller or zero upside, or you can be an entrepreneur with zero guarantees and lots of upside. </p>
<p>But being an entrepreneur means you&#8217;ve got to have a basic understanding of legal (contracting and IP), accounting and tax, investment/funding, marketing and sales &#8212; all in addition to the base operations of your business (composing, arranging, producing, performing live and/or studio). </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re unwilling or unable to figure out a basic understanding of all of those fields which are part of every business, then you&#8217;re an employee at best and a victim at worst. </p>
<p>Of course none of your best efforts help, if access to market is controlled by an all powerful cartel, which it was and arguably still is to quite a degree. So at least the (much too slow) death of the cartel will hopefully restore some normal decent business behavior.</p>
<p>However this doesn&#8217;t change the fundamentals of supply vs. demand. As we increasingly find out, the supply of rather good recorded music is increasingly limitless. So correspondingly, the market value for recorded music is getting nearer to zero all the time. The supply of very good live music is probably not quite as plentiful, so at least in the short term, there&#8217;s probably some money in that. </p>
<p>But that means that &#8220;labels&#8221; as a separate commercial industry for recorded music is dead. While more comprehensive holistic ventures, which unite all of the things a music maker can and must do seem to make increasingly more sense. It also reflects the reality that most music makers have a combination of revenue streams &#8211; some work for music stores, some teach, some work for equipment manufacturers, some write software, some produce, some work musical theater in addition to doing rock/pop gigs, etc. </p>
<p>So my bottom line point is, that I would not call this new venture a &#8220;Label&#8221;. It deserves a different term. Not sure if there is one yet, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see one evolving. Heck, why don&#8217;t you coin a new term in this blog?  <img src='http://www.creativedeconstruction.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: refe</title>
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		<dc:creator>refe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, although the &#039;joint venture&#039; language makes it sound like the arrangement may bypass a lot of the nonsense that usually goes along with a major label royalty agreement. 

Recording industry arrangements have always stood out from other industries - even other IP industries - for the way the &#039;investors&#039; exploit the ones receiving their investments. The traditional deals are shameful! To bring the system more in line with traditional venture capitalism and traditional (non-music industry) investment relationships would be a welcomed shift.

And yes, you&#039;re right about the 50%. Especially when the other revenue streams are considered. 50% may actually be quite a bit if applied across the board - merchandise sales, touring profits, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, although the &#8216;joint venture&#8217; language makes it sound like the arrangement may bypass a lot of the nonsense that usually goes along with a major label royalty agreement. </p>
<p>Recording industry arrangements have always stood out from other industries &#8211; even other IP industries &#8211; for the way the &#8216;investors&#8217; exploit the ones receiving their investments. The traditional deals are shameful! To bring the system more in line with traditional venture capitalism and traditional (non-music industry) investment relationships would be a welcomed shift.</p>
<p>And yes, you&#8217;re right about the 50%. Especially when the other revenue streams are considered. 50% may actually be quite a bit if applied across the board &#8211; merchandise sales, touring profits, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: spinmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>spinmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so much just a label, but a comprehensive 360 deal. Label seems too limiting a metaphor. And of this is good or bad for the artist will depend a lot on how the NET gets calculated before the 50% gets applied. Because there&#039;s no way the 50% to the artist will be off any GROSS revenue. Businesses just don&#039;t make 50% plus margins. Especially not in a business where supply is increasingly much higher than demand. 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/07/20/polyphonic-music.html 

The keyword is joint venture. Tricky territory, too, because there&#039;s tons of up front marketing costs (not so much production). And let&#039;s face it, while the music biz is often evil, the artists are often flaky.  Always a tough combination to make work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so much just a label, but a comprehensive 360 deal. Label seems too limiting a metaphor. And of this is good or bad for the artist will depend a lot on how the NET gets calculated before the 50% gets applied. Because there&#8217;s no way the 50% to the artist will be off any GROSS revenue. Businesses just don&#8217;t make 50% plus margins. Especially not in a business where supply is increasingly much higher than demand. </p>
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<p>The keyword is joint venture. Tricky territory, too, because there&#8217;s tons of up front marketing costs (not so much production). And let&#8217;s face it, while the music biz is often evil, the artists are often flaky.  Always a tough combination to make work.</p>
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